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Will New Berlin dispatch or be dispatched?

City considers value of joint communications with county

Jan. 16, 2012 | 46 comments

New Berlin - In search of potential savings, both in terms of operational and capital costs, the city has hired a consultant to look into whether New Berlin might be better off if the Waukesha Communications Center answer fire and police calls.

If the city joins WCC, Waukesha County dispatchers would send New Berlin police and firefighters where they need to be instead of emergency dispatchers at the New Berlin Police Station.

The consultant, Springsted Inc. of Milwaukee, will present its findings in late March or early April.

Studying costs vs. service

The city has 12 dispatchers on the payroll, and its communications equipment needs to be replaced, said Police Chief Joe Rieder. The equipment alone goes for $250,000 to $500,000, and even more, he said. Also, the dispatch center itself is worn and needs retuning probably to the tune of $75,000 or $100,000.

Those numbers factor into the city's decision to study an alternative, Rieder said.

But Springsted was also asked to go beyond numbers to evaluate response times and feedback from police and fire departments that already use WCC as well as citizen satisfaction. There are advantages to having local dispatch but there are disadvantages, too, Rieder said, and the consultant is to look into all of that.

Seven years ago when WCC was built, service was the huge issue, Rieder said, with many insisting that local dispatch is much better. But now WCC has seven years of dat,a and a decision can be made with facts, he added.

Once the research is in, the Police and Fire Commission, which asked for the study, will invite the public to weigh in.

Factual, emotional resistance

"This is a huge issue and a very emotional issue," he acknowledged.

People view dispatchers as their lifelines - when they call for help, it's a dispatcher who will be on the line, Rieder said.

One of those who will not be shy about commenting on the issue is Jeanne Bartol, who some time ago spearheaded a massive fundraising campaign to get a defibrillator into every New Berlin police squad car.

To be effective, defibrillators must be used within moments of someone having a heart attack. They are fine with New Berlin's response time of one to three minutes, but if times get much longer, she said, "We're going to lose lives."

What Bartol said she will be asking is what means the most: saving lives or saving money.

She acknowledged that she has a more personal reason for wanting continued rapid police response times. Years ago, she was instrumental in securing the conviction of a man who robbed several pharmacies. He was sentenced to 10 years. But he recently got out after five years and Bartol knows that he knows where she lives, and she doesn't mind saying she's worried.

Too many call transfers

Based on three recent experiences she had with WCC, it take some effort to convince her that the change is for the better.

One was a nonemergency call to Brookfield police in which her call was given to the wrong city three times, Bartol said.

Another time, while driving, she called to report seeing an impaired driver. She spotted him in Milwaukee but then he entered Greenfield, so she was transferred to Greenfield, then to West Allis as they drove into that city and finally to New Berlin, which caught the driver.

In another incident while she was driving, she called police after seeing a 3-year-old child hanging out a car window. Her 911 call was transferred to two different police departments and finally to the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Department.

The fact that she was on the move in her own car was a factor in some of the call transfers.

"She brings up good points," Rieder said, acknowledging such transferring does happen.

But if she had been in Waukesha County and all the communities on her route had been with WCC, there would have been no need for transfers and the WCC dispatchers would have known which squads were in a position to stop the offending cars. All that information would be in one place, he said.

While New Berlin is exploring joining WCC, Muskego is trying hard to get out of it. Muskego police say they can handle the 911 cell calls, the only ones WCC answers for them, themselves. Muskego doesn't want callers to have to talk to the WCC dispatcher and the Muskego dispatcher when one will do.

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  1. I got this by email today, figured since this meeting is only two days away. I'd post it for anyone in NB interested in their city.


    Subject: A Message From Congressman Sensenbrenner

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    Residents of New Berlin are invited to join Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner for a Town Hall Meeting this Saturday, February 11th at 9:00 a.m. at the New Berlin City Hall to discuss the issues on your mind.

    Location: The meeting will be held in the New Berlin City Hall, 3805 S. Casper Dr.

    For the complete list of upcoming town hall meetings, please refer to my website at http://sensenbrenner.house.gov.

    To keep up-to-date on what is happening in Congress, please sign up here for my e-newsletter and join me on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/RepSensenbrenner.

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  2. The real question is local control. WCC is run by a guy who works for the County and has his office in Waukesha. He is responsible to the County Executive, and the County executive is responsible to the people of Waukesha County. WCC makes decisions based on "What's in the best interest of the County" not the City of New Berlin. The County calls all the shots and makes all the decisions. Yes, the local community has a voice but it's one voice among all the others and the County still has the biggest vote. The New Berlin Police and Fire dispatch center is run by the City of New Berlin and the decisions made and policies implemented are made with the interests of the Citizens, businesses and people who visit New Berlin as a priority. The people who run the New Berlin dispatch center live in New Berlin and answer to the Citizens of New Berlin. There is little to no hoops to jump through to address problems and or concerns. The center is efficient and professional, the employees perform at a high level and perform a quality service. Given all of the above, there is a cost. The people of New Berlin need to decide. How much does local control mean to them. Do the people of New Berlin value there autonomy on public safety issues or do they want to turn these decisions over to someone in Waukesha who lives somewhere else. Some people think they can put a dispatch center in South Dakota and it will provide the same service that a local center can provide. I'm thinking it's more like calling technical support for your computer or TV and you can't understand the tech because they are in India and you are in New Berlin. Works for TV's and Computers, I'm not so sure with dispatchers and public safety. In the end this will come down to dollars and how much pressure the citizens put on the mayor and their alderman. The choices aren't easy.
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  3. “Bee guy” if you or your family needs police or fire units to respond it would be pretty “emotional” for you too.There are nearly 6800 residents in the city who are 65 .I'm confident that almost all of them have landlines in their home.They do not rely on cell phones in case of emergencies.When they need help,they DESERVE it as quickly as possible.There are also more than 3400 businesses in the city& I’m sure they all have landlines.When an employee gets his arm trapped in a machine or a coworker in the office loses consciousness b/c of a heart attack the last thing they want is to answer additional questions or have someone “guess” where they are .They want help NOW!When they call NBPD via 911 that is exactly what they get.When they call WCC there are more questions to be asked.This is not a dig on the employees of WCC,this is FACT.The county dispatchers are not trained to learn landmarks.Even if they were, the current Dispatchers in NB do not have to be trained to know new landmarks. They SEE them.They have lived or worked in the city for a combined 99yrs.You know(being in NB 55yrs) how much the city has changed in.Businesses come and go,names change. NBPD dispatchers know the changes.WCC called NBPD recently to relay a 911hang up call & advised NB that the call originated from the police department.After investigation by the NBPD dispatchers the caller was discovered to be on Glendale Dr.”Bee guy”, I’m sure you know the PD has been on National for 12 years! So much for WCC being trained on landmarks.All the Dispatchers at WCC are expected to answer calls & Dispatch for ALL the cities in the county.It is impossible for anyone to know all the landmarks of the entire county. Software/hardware updates are necessary anywhere.As to your comment on GPS capabilities-it would cost the city a mere $500/yr.But,you are correct, having the Dispatcher center in New Berlin is an emotional issue--emergencies and 911 calls ARE emotional for ALL those involved.
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  4. one more question, are the firefighters paying into the pension?
  5. The Police Officers have to pay into their pensions for the very first time AND have their health insurance benefits compromised? That's ridiculous.
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  6. Mr. "BEE GUY", as a member of the NB Citizens Academy Alumni, shouldn't you fully support the PD, all of its employees and EVERY service that they provide? If not, what exactly is your purpose for being part of the alumni? You stated that you have toured WCCC and "have seen real 911 calls in action". Is that to imply then that any 911 calls made by the citizens of NB are false or unimportant? If you did tour WCCC then you should know that the dispatchers who work there are not assigned to dispatch only for the cities that they came from when their independent departments merged with the county- they dispatch for all of the 40 some agencies under contract with WCCC. You would also know that should the NB common council decide to get rid of the NB dispatchers that does NOT mean that they would automatically get hired at WCCC. In addition you would also know that WCCC dispatchers are NOT trained to know NB landmarks. You want to "turn over the dispatch services to the county and put the cash to use for better services to our citizens". Just how, exactly, do you think the police and fire depts provide services to the citizens? The calls go through the dispatch center FIRST-the dispatchers answer the calls and send appropriate personnel where they need to go! There are no officers or fire dept members sitting in the public safety building waiting for their calls for service. For being part of the Citizens Academy Alumni, you don't seem to know very much at all. If the common council decides to do away with the local dispatch center and use the county, hopefully for your sake, you never need any police or fire services.
  7. It is a shame this common council has paved the way to reduce services so much in New Berlin. They have done nothing to continue to generate a tax base to keep these fine services that have kept this same city safe. They are all about cutting services and stepping on employees. The citizens deserve good services and deserve to know the truth. I can't believe the Chief has not stood up and told the public about how the city wanted to cut the dispatch center, but yet he is the same Chief that said nothing when they were about to cut a bunch of cops. I found out through other citizens. Having your own dispatch center is way more advantageous for citizens and the safety of public safety workers hands down. But this is the same city who recently gave the cops a $8000 health insurance deductible but everyone else in the city has the old insurance plan. The cops who risk their lives get the worst insurance plan??? I bet the HR director is on the good insurance.... I think the common council and Chief has some explaining to do to me as a citizen of New Berlin!!!
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    • And this kids, is what happens when a moron gets a little information.

      I believe all city staff is on the same incsurance. Again you are making things up. Can you tell me when the city was about to cut a bunch of cops? How many qualify for a bunch? Exactly what services have been reduced? Snow not getting plowed? City Hall empty?
    • Also when was this $8000 increase agreed upon. I looked at the city website and the only contract approval has been the Fire Department. So when was this $8000, that you say was only to the cops, introduced? Who introduced it? This number is not made up is it? So since you seem to know all of the answers please enlighten me.
    • And this is what happens when a person like Stunned tries to weigh in when they know very little but act like they know-all! The city staff is not all on the same insurance! The police union has been singled out to a High Deductible Health Plan (HDHP) that could cost the police officer up to $8000 annually for their health insurance. Yes, other city employees have remained on the older health insurance plan with the old deductibles and co-pays! The HDHP plan was never voted on due to the new Governor bill that has taken health insurance out of contract negotiations. So the number is not made up, it is fact and you should maybe check yours before spouting off like an idiot! You want to know who introduced it???? The HR Director and there was no voting!
      The last two years during budget talks the City has threatened to cut officers jobs, maybe not a "bunch" but 1, 2 or 3 and in a city this size... 1 is too many!
    • I guess you were not at the city council meeting when yes they wanted to cut officer in 2010, 2009 so instead they did not replace any officers who left. There are no moron's here. Everyone has the right information.
      Parks and recreation were cut , maintenance was cut, our social workers at the PD lost a part timer and our full time social worker was cut to part time. Stunned, you really need more facts and these are all facts...so does this city and they need to fight to keep it safe.
    • Stunned, did you get a chance to call city hall and inquire about TJs claim of that insurance plan for the police department?

      Back on topic. The article seems to lack a lot of details. Hopefully the consultants report will be revealing and made accessible to the public.
    • Oh I agree whole heartedly, this city tells your citizens nothing until it is far too late. That is why this original article was posted. Our PD is one of the best, our guys and gals are simply awesome. How can anyone afford $8,000 a year for family plan yet that is what they are doing. I think the Chief , HR and the City Council and Mayor have some pretty BIG explaining to do to it's citizens. When Jeanne called this story in to Jane, it was not out of emotion but she knew it is all policital. And that the city of New Berlin does not ever get to know what is going on until they announce a city council meeting for the open public about an issue. Our city council does not want to raise taxes even $15 to keep what we need. Tell me how many people cannot afford $15 to $20 , ok skip a pack or two of cigarettes, or a dinner out at Mcky D's for the kids, skip a bottle of wine or case of beer , or forget buing a top or dress or shoes you really dont need but want anyway?? This city means more to me than all that above. And yes those numbers are right. Our officers morale is low, do you see them wave, or say hi, when you pass by hardly ever. And we have one of the BEST PD's in the area....all of them are great!! Do I want to take away our Lt's becoming all Captains, no they deserve it but why do we need so many command officers and then the regular patrol , what do they have to look forward do? Why did we even need to hire a consulting firm and at WHAT COST To THIS CITY??? This was a no brainer to keep our dispatch. We did not have to hire a consulting firm to get figures to decide whether or not to keep them. They are worth their weight in Gold!!!!
    • I totally agree, but this is what happens when your city government tells you nothing at all. Until one posting of a common council open to the public to address an issue. Well by that time it is already decided.
    • Falconfb41- you are 100% correct on ALL of your statements. The common council is only concerned with padding their own pockets and have never been supportive of the city employees. Why on earth would anyone want to cut emergency services? It is embarrassing to live in a city that is run by people with no common sense who continually take away from and screw over the people that work for the city 24 hrs/day, 7 days/week, 365 days/year- our emergency personnel. I can guarantee that not one single member of the common council would work 2nd or 3rd shift hours, weekends and holidays, nor put their lives on the line every single day. The men and women who do deserve great health insurance and benefits, not this underhanded BS.
    • CG2 your are absolutely correct! It seems our city has devalued it's employees, again. Falconfb41 is 100% correct! Never once have I seen any city official doing much of anything to assist their public safety employes. They stay comfortably at home. I have a seen a few wondering around on some accident and fire scenes, but offering no help or dealing with what they expect their public safety providers to deal with. They may offer lip service of how proud they are of the employees, but actions speak louder then words. And their employee's have heard them loud and clear. I don't see city leaders working 12 hours shifts they are not expected to work 12 hour days, sometimes several in a row and without warning. Yes, the employee gets compensated for the extra hours, but that does not make up for missing family events or house hold duties. Hey members of city government, glove up and lead by example! Oh that's right, you chose to lead by decree not example. Stunned I see why your Stunned. People need to open their eyes, ask questions, and demand answers before it's too late.
    • It may be too late, Jim Sensenbrenner , they are calling in the BIG GUNS...to talk to the city of NB at a Town Hall Meeting on Sat. at 9 am...How many people know about this?
  8. New Berlin’s dispatch center will need software/hardware updates about every 5-7 years as new systems come online. As technology changes so must our system in order to serve the citizens of New Berlin. Since the county system already has a system replacement protocol and has allocated resources to that end, why are we even contemplating spending more and more money for our own system? If it was substantially better than the county system I would say yes, but it is not. If our system was superior to the county system I would say yes, but it is not. The only difference is twofold: we do not currently have cell phone GPS capability and we do not have direct 911 line support. The county has both, The only remaining issue is emotional ties to our dispatch center. I think we have to look at the needs of the city, and not the needs of our heart. We should turn over the dispatch services over to the county and use that cash for more officers on the street and better fire equipment. Let’s put the cash to use for a better services to our citizens.
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    • Perhaps then, if someone can explain to the city of New Berlin, why all of our Police Lts, were made Captains, Our one Captain assistant to the Chief, and they are trying to make all of our Sgts , Lts which would take the Sgts out of the union. So they all get raises, what happens to the position of Sgt for future officers does it get eliminated? Why wasn't that money better spent on our dispatch center if upgrades are or would be needed. The CAD system at 1 million dollars tell our dispatch where anyone is at any given time. The training that went into this was phenomonal. New Berlin citizens need to take a more active role in their government. Tell me why a city of 39,000 people needs so much command staff and how that will put more officers on the street? Surprised, well guess what this is what no one tells you.
    • Bee guy your only concern seems to be about money. Even you have to realize that the "allocated" money is going to be coming out of your pocket one way or another. If you think the only remaining issue is "emotional ties to our dispatch center". The delay that is created by abandoning a local dispatch center for a county wide one, may only be a seconds or minutes, but trust me, when you are sitting there waiting for an ambulance to come for a child or loved one of yours that is not breathing, those seconds or minutes are going to seem like HOURS and they may well make the difference in if the person lives or dies. For me, no amount of money can make up for that!
  9. New Berlin’s dispatch center will need software/hardware updates about every 5-7 years as new systems come online. As technology changes so must our system in order to serve the citizens of New Berlin. Since the county system already has a system replacement protocol and has allocated resources to that end, why are we even contemplating spending more and more money for our own system? If it was substantially better than the county system I would say yes, but it is not. If our system was superior to the county system I would say yes, but it is not. The only difference is twofold: we do not currently have cell phone GPS capability and we do not have direct 911 line support. The county has both, The only remaining issue is emotional ties to our dispatch center. I think we have to look at the needs of the city, and not the needs of our heart. We should turn over the dispatch services over to the county and use that cash for more officers on the street and better fire equipment. Let’s put the cash to use for a better services to our citizens.
  10. New Berlin’s dispatch center will need software/hardware updates about every 5-7 years as new systems come online. As technology changes so must our system in order to serve the citizens of New Berlin. Since the county system already has a system replacement protocol and has allocated resources to that end, why are we even contemplating spending more and more money for our own system? If it was substantially better than the county system I would say yes, but it is not. If our system was superior to the county system I would say yes, but it is not. The only difference is twofold: we do not currently have cell phone GPS capability and we do not have direct 911 line support. The county has both, The only remaining issue is emotional ties to our dispatch center. I think we have to look at the needs of the city, and not the needs of our heart. We should turn over the dispatch services over to the county and use that cash for more officers on the street and better fire equipment. Let’s put the cash to use for a better services to our citizens.
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