Poshepny's Back on the Council

Oh, here we go again. (Slow news day, Linda?)

Linda: "Well, if that was the right thing to do, it should have been done a long time ago."

Answer: You want the long answer or the short one? Short answer: Council could not act because of the pending lawsuit filed by this person. Until the claim(s) in that lawsuit were settled no action could be taken. That's the way lawsuits work, Linda. What's your beef?

Linda: "The City received Poshepny’s resignation letter back in August. Poshepny’s letter rescinding his resignation was dated August 26. That was four months ago!" Short answer: His rescission was not valid. The city attorney deemed his resignation was valid.

Linda: "The Council refused to accept Poshepny’s explanation and declared the seat vacant."

Answer: Same answer, again, the city attorney deemed his resignation was valid. Council followed advise provided by the city attorney. What's your beef?

Linda: "Instead of appointing Poshepny or someone else, the Council left the seat empty until January 12." Answer is is two parts: 1. They could not appointment Poshepny due to HIS own action, HIS lawsuit. 2. They could not appoint anyone else, again, because of Poshepny's own actions - his lawsuit. What's your beef?

Linda: "How was that in the best interests of District 5? (by the way, I live in District 5) " Answer: The LAW SUIT was not in the best interest of Distric 5. That's Voice's beef! (who also resides in District 5)

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Linda: "Remember that Poshepny had been elected by the voters of the Fifth District to a three-year aldermanic term which expires in April 2010."

Comment: Yes, unfortunately he was. However, by his OWN action he resigned, then sued and by his OWN action left his constituents 'hangin' in the wind' with his OWN lawsuit.

Linda: "The Council’s dithering resulted in aldermen from every district except District 5, being able to participate in the Council’s recent budget discussions, cast votes on the budget/tax levy and the mayor’s veto of the budget."

Answer: Council did not 'dither'. Might Voice repeat in case you did not understand it: Poshepny's legal resignation and his OWN lawsuit deprived District 5 of representation.

Linda: "For District 5, it was literally taxation without representation."

Answer: Yes - caused by a legal resignation followed by a lawsuit (see above answers).

Linda: "Too bad Ament and his aldermanic colleagues failed to do the “right thing” months ago."

Answer: There was no "failure" (see above answers).

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Now that the public has heard "The Rest of the Story", how about addressing a few lingering issues:

Regarding expense accounts as discussed in your two previous blogs it has been brought out that YOUR alderman also participates in the non-receipt accounting method. Question has been asked: What did YOUR aldermen spend HIS expense account dollars on during his absence from mid-May thru August (3.5 months x $250 = $875) while he was in the rehab facility?

Regarding this issue: In your previous blog you stated "Why should a constituent have to contact his/her alderman and try to drag such information out of him?"

Answer: Accountability.

Voice has heard comments that this alderman MAY have continued to receive his salary beyond the time of his legal resignation. IF this is true the continuance would have been do to in-action by the mayor to halt the salary.

Consider the following:

1. "IF" the alderman received salary beyond his legal resignation, one months pay equals salary ($7,000 / 12 = $583.33) & expense account ($250). That total ($583.33 + $250) is $833.33.

2. Combined the above with the controversial expense dollars from mid-May thru August ($250 x 3.5 months). That total is $875.

3. "IF" #1 is true, in good conscience it appears the alderman may owe the taxpayers a refund ($875 + $833). That total is $1,708

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Earlier this week the Waukesha Freeman reported on the recent appointment of the former-alderman-once-again-alderman stating to settle the lawsuit brought by the former-alderman-once-again-alderman he WILL BE paid 3 months of lost pay.

<insert big "Huh?" here>

There are multiple problems with this statement:

1. "IF" the context in the above Freeman statement is true, it might validate the former-alderman-once-again-alderman's actions.

2. HOWEVER, there was NO STATEMENT by council regarding any back pay.

Just so Linda hears this correctly: Council has made NO STATEMENT there was any monetary settlement involved.

In the public eye the ONLY OUTCOME OF THE LAWSUIT was the former-alderman-once-again-alderman WAS APPOINTMENT to the seat he resigned from in August 2009 AND DISTRICT 5 HAD NO REPRESENTATION from August 2009 through January 2009 DUE TO HIS OWN LAWSUIT. (Readers: Please pardon the use of capitalization, there is no way to 'bold' or otherwise emphasize text in this blog.)

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The public should be reminded Linda is associated with a politcal action group (a PAC) called We Care New Berlin.

She will refute that her blog represents any co-mingling of her actions (statements) vs the actions (statements) of her PAC association.

It is election time.

The former-alderman-once-again-alderman is running for election in the upcoming primary election.

The former-alderman-once-again-alderman was endorsed by Linda's PAC when he was elected to office.

Voice has said previously "Knowledge is Key".

A New Berlin Voice's comments demonstrate how easy it is for someone who chooses to be anonymous to make untrue claims, false accusations and publicly spread inaccurate or misleading information. After all, by concealing his identity, A New Berlin Voice can deceive you about anything without have to worry about actually being held personally accountable for his bogus remarks.

For example, in his comment directly above A New Berlin Voice falsely accuses We Care New Berlin PAC of endorsing Joe Poshepny (the former alderman once again alderman) when he was elected to office. We Care New Berlin PAC had not endorsed Poshepny. It had not even existed when Poshepny was elected in April 2007. It formed later that year. I am the PAC's treasurer and filed the paperwork with the City Clerk. Those records show that We Care New Berlin PAC registered in November of 2007 and the first aldermanic candidate it endorsed/supported was Bill Moore who was running for re-election in April 2008. Moore won.

Miss Richter- You are correct in when We Care New Berlin was formed, you were correct in saying your gang did not endorse Poshepny. However you claiming that New Berlin Voice's comments are bogus- kind of reminds me of the pot and the kettle. You make up your own reality and claim they are fact. You shill for those who you agree with, yet chastise and berate anyone who you do not. Again you keep blogging and keep endorsing your candidates. New Berlin is waking up and recognizing you and your gang for who they really are!

I live in Aldermanic District 5. In 2007, Joe Poshepny ran as a write-in candidate. He must have had an effective campaign, because he won. On the ballot that year, there were two aldermanic candidate's names listed for District 5: The incumbent, Roger Hegeman and Don Counsell. New Berlin Citizens for Responsible Government had endorsed/supported Hegeman in his initial run for the office but chose not to endorse him for re-election in 2007. Instead, they endorsed Don Counsell. After Counsell received negative publicity due to being in a brawl/ tazered twice at a pub (His "mug" shot even appeared on NOW), NBCRG withdrew its endorsement.

Voice. This is an absolute red herring! We now know why she refused to respond in her last blog. The Chicago style We Care group had to stop the bleeding in her last blog and reinvent the attack on the only aldermen that stand in the way of them profiting at the taxpayers expense.
It is obvious she will just continue to regurgitate her distortions and lies. This quote from another socialist “The greater the lie, the greater the chance it will be believed.” –Adolph Hitler

One correction: We Care New Berlin PAC registered in October not November 2007.

Stunned: No one forces people to read my blogs. They do so of their own free will. If someone genuinely doesn't like how I do my NOWblog, they could get their own. That would allow them to blog on whatever issue they pleased. Of course, their identity would not be hidden and so they'd be personally accountable for what they communicate publicly.
However you try to spin it, A New Berlin Voice's attacks on this blog against me and We Care New Berlin PAC are lies. I have shown them to be lies. Records will also show A New Berlin Voice's remarks to be lies. And A New Berlin Voice made those mean-spirited lies while hiding in the shadows, concealing his identity.
Folks, if you prefer to believe an anonymous "hit man" who chooses not to attach his name to his barbs and stuff he communicates on people's blogs, that's your choice.

I actually do not like the word" hit man" . Let's try ninja!
You pointed out the fact that New Berlin Voice did not know that your gang was not around to support Poshepny in his first run at the office, You remeber the one he was willing to sue his constiuents( as they are part of the city) for. Wow you cracked a mystery there. Great work.
You are also telling the truth when you say people could get their own blog. We can all remember how nasty in-fighting between local bloggers can be. Didnt you even call a lawyer over one blog? Again burying the ones you dont agree with. Well time for me to go back into the shadows.

Lordy, lordy, lordy - Where to start... Voice will simply have to make multiple posts (again) to sort out all the twists and turns which populate this blog.

Here's what happened: Interesting how 'name association' works in one's mind. Ray McInerny, current(?) officer of the We Care New Berlin PAC, was the election campaign manager for the former-alderman-once-again-alderman. Apology extended on this one issue.

Voice's point remains regarding Linda's political association - no apology offered on this point.

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Stunned: :D :D :D Your comments directed to Linda "You make up your own reality and claim they are fact...." are "Right On"!

Taxed too much: :D :D :D Your comments are "Right On" also!

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Stunned...Taxed Too Much...A New Berlin Voice...and Intrigued sure use the same rhetoric as individuals who have been on our School Board and are also very interested in city politics. The word "shill" is a dead giveaway. These individuals have driven the school system into a hole financially and stripped the school district of a well rounded educational system for the students. Trust me....if they endorse someone....vote for the other person.
Do you really want city services put in the same condition that our schools have gone. In the schools they are running around putting out one fire after another because of all the bad long term planning these so called fiscal conservatives did. Why would we want to do that to our city. If Citizens for Responsible Government likes a candidate....choose the other person. People didn't listen to this advice when it came to our schools.....do you really want the same thing to happen to the city ?

Linda, Linda, Linda,

(where to start)

First off Voice has never knowingly told an un-truth. (Apology was offered above for one mis-statement, viz 'word association'. Are you woman enough to publically accept the apology?)

Interesting word, that word 'lies'. The word 'un-truth' comes across in the printed world much better than someone saying someone else 'lies'.

Voice could attempt to address all your comments, yet the continuing thread to ALL your comments are blank, unsupported charges that Voice 'lies' and makes 'bogus' statements.

Linda, back up your claim(s).

had to comment: Hmm, Voice has never used the word "shill". Seems you are using it in the context of elections, interesting concept.

As Voice has said before, Voice does not believe there should be ANY PAC's involved local politics. Now, everyone, go ponder on that statement.

Welcome to the party HTC- I was wondering when you would show up and say the same thing you always seem to say. I can assure you I am not a current or former school board member. I hope you had a great holiday season. Yes I did use the word shill. That is what you and Richter do- you shill for your buddies and berate and chastise anyone who disagrees with you.

psst........ (said while Linda is composing her thoughts on where to go with this same-o same-o topic)

Did anyone else catch the news story on Channel 12 at 10pm on Wednesday?

Waukesha elected officials are "Sharing the Sacrifice" ie returning part of their salary in respect of their fellow county workers who have furlough days.

Voice wonders if the district 5 former-alderman-once-again-alderman will participate in "Sharing the Sacrifice".

What a collection of crap.

Voice and TTM ... you're both a piece of work and idiots.

You over think the whole thing and summarize with conclusions that are corrupt by your own sense of imbalance.

The 5th Dist Alderman resigned. Period. BS that he didn't know what he was doing. Be a big boy and move on. Point for the bad guys.

There was foot dragging by the council. The foot dragging by Ament and Wysocki and Harenda was purposeful - to maintain a council majority on votes. Period. It had nothing to do with fair play or representation or anything else.

You guys notice that not many regular citizens are reading this? This is only entertainment for you and your collection of goof balls?

In the off chance that regular citizens are reading..... NEW choices are offered in aldermanic elections this season. Time to move the dead weight off center. Time to introduce term limits and move along these lifer's who are there for the income of the job. Time to bring fresh energy and fresh perspective to NB. Time for fresh blood and good people. Get informed - vote responsibly!!!!!!

Voice & Associates, why do you express such anger and hostility at the idea of a PAC, in this case We Care, supporting candidates for public office? After all, NBCRG has been engaged in the same kind of activities for quite some time. The NBCRG mission statement says that their purpose is to endorse and support candiates for local offices such as the BOE, City Council and mayor.

Ralph Heun writes a blog for The New Berlin Now that articulates the NBCRG point of view. I know that you are aware of his work as I have seen your postings.

It's easy to spot NBCRG candiates. They are endorsements by Ralph and other familiar faces through numerous Letters to the Editor. NBCRG candidates have signs and literature that feature a shooting star or is it a nova? The same design has been used for years.

Come to think of it, now that Stunned has introduced the concept one gangs, one could compare that shooting star logo to a gang sign. (I wonder if NBCRG has an initiation ritual and handshake. Do they engage in tagging? Sorry, I digress.)

To be honest, I haven't seen anything approaching that level of uniformity and organization coming out of We Care. I wish that I did!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but portrayng We Care as as a "gang" engaged in "Chicago style politics?" Is really over the top. Are you that afraid of a little competition for the hearts and minds of the Shire folk?

Democracy, by definition, thrives on the diversity of ideas. Without competition, we would no longer have democracy, but desend into a theocracy...like that guy with the mustache who was quoted earlier.

Evie53151: Thanks for coming back on Voice's opinion regarding PAC's. It is nice to have a conversation with you.

Voice's opinion is that the electorate (we, the voters) have the Republican vs Democrat political parties already (yes, Libertarian, Greens, etc. also).

Local elections, like BOE, Council & Mayor, are the ONLY local public offices that are non-partisan positions, ie not Republican, not Democrat, etc.. The word 'non-partisan' is the key to Voice's opinion.

Local politics were designed by the draftees of the Constitution of the State of Wisconsin to allow the electorate total freedom (repeat: total freedom) to vote without 'political association' - and having local PAC's interject a type of 'political party' if you will which seems to this writer to defeat what the forefather's of Wisconsin intended.

Don't get Voice wrong, PAC's may have their place - but not in local government.

Evie53151: Yes, Voice agrees, Democracy thrives on the diversity of ideas. However, Voice believes a PAC endorsement should NOT drive how a person votes on a local level.

Someone, anyone, name any other local community that has one PAC let alone two PAC's.

to be continued...

continued...

Evie53151:

There is a BIG difference between the two PAC's in New Berlin but Voice will only bring one difference here:

One PAC extends a invite for an interview to ALL candidates for office, after a primary, BEFORE making an endorsement.

The other PAC does holds no interviews.

Voice will not name which PAC is which in the above example, let the reader supply the names.

There are a LOT of other differences but Voice is attempting to be polite in this PAC discussion.

You mentioned a 'star' theme on signs? Hmm... honestly Voice had not noticed.

Side note: Voice did not use the word "gang" - other posters have used that word.

I have a few more questions that Richter will never answer; the readers can use their imagination to get the answers.
1) Will Proshepny or Gatzke reimburse the City for the legal costs of their political frivolous lawsuit?
2) Why didn’t Poshepny, Chiovater and Moore participate in the furlough program that Ament, Wysocki and Seidle did?
3) After being completely discredited in recent blogs why is Richter still the spokesperson for We Care New Berlin?
4) Does Patzer print the We Care campaign literature?
5) When will We Care announce that they endorse Dave Jeske and Kevin Zokan?
6) Patzer did Chiovatero’s campaign printing and he has apparently offered to print Zokan’s and Jeske’s. Will he print Posheny, Liska and Krueger’s literature?
As Treasurer will Richter acknowledge or denied that T. Michael Schober, Mayor Chiovatero, Gatzke, Dave Patzer, Ray McInerny, Sr., Rush Wilkens, Linda Richter, Paul Gallagher, Vida Shaffer, Dennis Sage, Barbara Schober and Beth Miszewski have been residential citizen members and Scott Espeseth, business owner have also been involved in her We Care PAC?

Taxed too much: You 'name dropper'! :D

Linda also accused Voice of being a 'hit man' (hmm, missed that with the first reading) along with saying Voice 'lies'. Wow! Voice hasn't heard this amount of name calling since recess at elementary school! :D

She also infers Voice should get their own blog so "their identity would not be hidden and so they'd be personally accountable for what they communicate publicly."

Well, well, well, Linda, this poster is holding you personally accountable for stating this writer 'lies'. Voice repeats the challenge in a little stronger language this time: Prove it!

I think Voice thinks he's "Deep Throat" from the Nixon days....what's with all the dorky talking in third person. I still believe these are a lot of the same old....same old people from New Berlin School Boards and the Common Council doing the same old....same old election time nonsense so they can "scare" people into voting for them...once again. Typical neo conservative political behavior. You can say you're not these people...but I don't believe you....you spew the exact same rhetoric they have all these years. If people want to start changing the atmosphere around here in New Berlin it's time to put into office people who are not Citizen for Responsible Government mouth pieces. Remember...if NBCRG endorses them....you probably want the other person.

Regarding my tendency to say the same thing over and over.....yes you're right...but I say it one way and move on. Taxed too much...Intrigued...Stunned...Voice...who I think are probably the same one or two people....you say the same thing over and over and over and over...and you say the same thing many different ways...now who is more monotonous ?

Linda,

We are waiting for you to disprove Voice's 'lies'...

Voice ... you're an idiot.

joeblow: Digressing to name calling, by anyone, proves nothing.

Linda: You have taken on the responsibility of a blog and made certain comments against this poster. You have stated blog owners, such as yourself, are "personally accountable for what they communicate publicly."

Per your own description, now is the time for you to take responsibly and the associated accountability for saying Voice "lies".

You will probably come back with some statement like you were busy with this or that, your blog is informative and very popular, that you 'volunteer' your time here, you don't have to answer every question, etc., etc., etc.

We have heard that all before, many, many times before. Those comments only skirt the issue of your own description of accountability.

Voice reiterates, your 'devoted' public continues to wait for you to show accountability for your public comments...

Voice spews distorted venom pretending to be an expert on the need or value of political action committees (his/her personal opinion) and implies individuals who elect to make contributions are somehow “members”.

Obviously some type of pipe dream because I highly doubt for example the numerous banking and finance employees from as far away as Wausau, WI giving legislator Mary Lazich’s PAC $500 or more each consider themselves “members” of anything for example..

It’s quite easy to look up contributions made – wow, even the likes of Wysocki has made them in the past. Big deal!

Joe Blow is right…Residents will do well by thoroughly studying their aldermanic candidates. One can only hope there will be a positive and productive turn around in leadership committed to moving our city forward and not more of the political games.

Voice, in an ideal world local politics would be non-partisan, and dogs and cats would live together in harmony. Unfortuately, NB is not Camelot.

As I recall, the NB Taxpayers Alliance was formed back in the 1980s to cut spending. As education is a major local expenditure, they were especially active in supporting BOE candidates. Hence, we now have the conditions in NB's schools descibed by HTC.

At some point, the Taxpayers Alliance morphed into NBCRG, but with the same cast of characters and mission. CRG is definitely not simply a local organization...Try doing a google search. You will see CRG alliances throughout the country. I can't say the same about "We Care." They are definitely local.

If anything, the reluctance of the moderate voices in NB to organize has allowed NBCRG to have too much influence on municipal government, especially in our school system. But then again, most rational people would be hesitant to voluntarily engage in the mud-slinging and character assasinations that are NB politics.

Furthermore, I'm actually not comfortable with the idea of NBCRG holding candidate interviews. Are these interviews open to the public? Are all candiates for a given office asked the same questions, or are these interviews really designed to be "gotcha, you're a closet moderate" moments?

Taxed too much
Mr. Patzer, has never, ever printed any material for the New Care group during the two years I was with them. Period.
While I was with WeCare Chiovater, Gatzke, Patzer were never members at any time. Vica Shaffer was for a very short period, mabe one or two months. I don't beleive any of these people determental to the good life of New Berlin, do you? If you do what does it say about the atmosphere you're creating.
How about telling us when the previous mayor and his sidekick will repay the monies paid to the Greek Orthodox Church and to the Human Resources Director, amount which I've read exceed a half million or more?
We all have a few crinks in our character and it hardly sets the rest of us free to constantly harp on what others are doing?
God bless you all!

Stunned, thank you exposing the gang connections in our community. I have had a revelation. I believe that I am uncomfortable about the NBCRG interviews because that must be a part of their gang initiation ritual.

Obviously, the shooting star is their gang symbol. If memory serves me correct, their candidates' lawn signs are usually blue and white, showing that they are affiliated with the "Cripps." When NBCRG places their candidates signs in vacant lots and other public properties they are really engaged in "tagging."

No wonder the NBCRG has traditionally be seen as anti-public education. Have you ever heard of gang members that are PRO-EDUCATION? I think not.

I'm not sure if we should call the History Channel to come shoot an episode of "Gangland" or if we should invite Marty Scorsese to produce and direct "The Gangs of New Berlin," featuring Ralph Heun as "Bill the Butcher," Ray McInerny as "Priest Vallon," and Linda as "Hellcat Maggie." :)

And Voice, were you seriously suggesting that Ray Mc. is involved with some kind of left-wing socialist PAC? Have you read some of his blogs??? That's a bit like claiming the Dahli Lama is a communist sympathizer.

Joe blow. Well thought out response!

Hi Ray. You seem to be a reasonable man and I thank you for responding to question 4. I assume you are no longer affiliated with We Care and assume you left before the DA was investigating them.
As a former member and president of We Care at least Ray has the guts to respond. What say the rest of you? Richter you still control We Care so you first.

Taxed too much, et al:
I am a reasonable man. The DA threw the case out because he knew all info came from the person's website who brought the charge against WeCare. It ended amicably and all is well.
There''s been too much ado about money and who should save what and when. The former administrations who wasted all the money on the Greek Church and the Human Resource area have no right to catcall others.
My perception is that by and large the past decade or so we've endured our moments of shame and fame as a city. I do beleive that most of our administrations and councils have tried their best.
Keeping up to the expectations of those of us not involved day-to-day with politics is hard for them to do.
Thanks for the courteous response and reparte'.

Ray. You’re a gentleman. But I wasn’t aware that any former administrations were catcalling - is that a word?

A Milwaukee Journal article announced the formation of WCNB attributing the leadership to Ray McInerney, Sr.

Interesting note: A couple of years ago WCNB put out a letter addressed to council that very publicly bashed at least one private citizen. The letter was (typed) signed by apparently four officers (members?) of WCNB.

At least one (typed) signatory to that letter PROMPTLY issued an apology stating he was not involved in the writing of the letter, he wanted no part in what was contained in the letter and stated he would personally apologize to that private person. Apparently he left (resigned?) the group at that time. This person was not Ray McInerney, Sr.

When certain persons attempted to find out WHO wrote the letter and authorized the distribution of the letter, NONE of the other (typed) signatories took responsibility.

Apparently the letter was so very critical it appeared that WCNB went through a faze of disbanding. If Voice recalls correctly under the 'air' of a possible defamation of character lawsuit the WCNB website went down, comments were made they were disbanding 'but would return' sometime later in another venue.

Ray states he is no longer associated with WCNB. Maybe Ray could comment if his current non-association with WCNB is related to this non-authorized letter.

That situation (non-accountability) is VERY similar to Linda's non-accountability for her current statement that Voice 'lies'.

Linda, your public is still waiting for YOUR accountability regarding your public comments that Voice lies....

edit in double parentheses:

That situation (non-accountability) ((regarding the letter))is VERY similar to Linda's non-accountability for her current statement that Voice 'lies'.

Given that the Packers are no longer in the playoffs, and the Vikings easily beat the Cowboys, I had some time for research. For those of you who question Linda's veracity, it seems that she was actually quite subtle in describing the cause of Mr. Counsell's loss to Mr. Poshepny, a write-in candidate.

Although there is no picture, the story regarding Mr. Counsell can be found at http://www.wauwatosanow.com/news/cninews/38965739.html.

When I first read that the incident occurred at Mo's Irish Pub in Wauwatosa, I thought that perhaps it was the result of a St. Patrick Day celebration that became excessively jubilant, but it seems that it was on March 7th, the day after the anniversary of the fall of the Alamo. As we are not in Texas, the folks of the 5th District must have considered this incident as deal breaker.

Readers please note: Linda posts a new blog with no accountability taken for her statements in this blog. <sigh>